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TheBostonian
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I think all those were drawn by the owner of Sky-Boston.com, Mike Verrilli. Look at all of his drawings at SSP: http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?m81
Also, you guys need to take a look at the wiki on some other computers. It comes out all messed up on a computer at my work. I think the biggest problem is that the banners on the main pages are too big and it causes everything to be pushed down below all of the Seedwiki controls and links on the left column. Many of the photographs do this too. Everything needs to be smaller so that it works on all displays. |
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Bowwest
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| TheBostonian wrote: | I think all those were drawn by the owner of Sky-Boston.com, Mike Verrilli. Look at all of his drawings at SSP: http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?m81
Also, you guys need to take a look at the wiki on some other computers. It comes out all messed up on a computer at my work. I think the biggest problem is that the banners on the main pages are too big and it causes everything to be pushed down below all of the Seedwiki controls and links on the left column. Many of the photographs do this too. Everything needs to be smaller so that it works on all displays. |
How big is your computer at work? |
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dudeursistershot
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The wiki is already half the size of my screen. Being accomodating to people with small monitors is one thing, but I think we've gone as far as we need to and should go.
bowesst, that diagram would definately be the best way to organize the Boston's Tallest page... |
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DarkFenX
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Many of his drawings are inaccurate. It also looks too cartoonish in some. |
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Bowwest
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Well heres the one from SSP.
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TheBostonian
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| bowesst wrote: | | How big is your computer at work? |
I'll check to see if it is some silly low resolution monitor setting. I think part of the problem is that Seedwiki doesn't seem to allow a horizontal scroll bar to show up when a page is too wide, but just squeezes everything together in a way that messes it all up. |
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Bowwest
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| The minimum width before it gets messed up is about 960 pixels. A 15 inch monitor is 1024 pixels. The only reason there would be a problem is if the monitor was set to 800x600. |
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Bowwest
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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I'll see if I can make a news image when I get the chance, although I don't know if its that neccesary. What if we just put the latest news below the links?
I just added a Kenmore Station construction page. I think an MBTA page would be good. I know that Vanshnookenraggen would have alot to contribute to that.
For some reason I get the feeling that alot of people aren't contributing because they don't think they should or because they think they'll mess something up. If you have something thats not up, whether its facts, info on a certain project, or pictures, put it up!  Or if you're not sure how to just post it in this thread and someone else will. The only way the site can be good is if everyone contributes. |
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TheBostonian
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| My work monitor: 14 inches diagonal, 800x600. |
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TheBostonian
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:33 am Post subject: |
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I'll keep adding content to the news page since it is so easy to just copy and paste the stories people post in the forum. I'd like to see someone make it prettier, though.
No problem if we can't use the SSP police lineup of buildings. (Yeah, the burglar was about this tall, shiny, with a silly crown on his head...yes...that one!)
I agree that we should encourage more to contribute to the wiki. No one should be afraid of making mistakes since they can be easily corrected or reverted. But maybe this is just phase one of the wiki and people will be more inclined to make small contributions when it is further along. |
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TheBostonian
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I have a couple other ideas. One is to not confine ourselves to Boston proper. Though this doesn't really need to be said, since I expect people to inevitably post content for buildings such as MIT's Simmons Hall and Stata Center.
Another idea is to have an "ArchBoston Forum Hall of Fame" or some sort of collection of forum highlights on the wiki. I'd like to do this because some of the posts are of such substance that they warrant some sort of place to be archived and gain more exposure. This doesn't have to be complicated. All I have in mind at the moment is a page with links to the "Architect of the Month" series as well as other posts people think worthy of an AB hall of fame. |
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TheBostonian
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Sorry for again making a string of posts in this thread, but...
I have some other modest ideas for the news page which I will work on soon or in the coming days. Also:
dudeursistershot: Do you know how I can fix the problems with italics I am having on the news page? |
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dudeursistershot
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| TheBostonian wrote: | Sorry for again making a string of posts in this thread, but...
I have some other modest ideas for the news page which I will work on soon or in the coming days. Also:
dudeursistershot: Do you know how I can fix the problems with italics I am having on the news page? |
What problems are you having? |
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TheBostonian
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| dudeursistershot wrote: | | What problems are you having? |
Never mind. I figured it out.
And I'm putting "discuss" links on the news stories that have a corresponding thread in the forum. Seems like an obvious way to tie the forum and the wiki together. |
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TheBostonian
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| Anonymous wrote: | | http://architecturalboston.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=325#325 |
That's a great post. I'm assuming guest is suggesting it for the "forum highlights" section of the wiki. I put it there. Find some more great posts and put a link on the highlights page or post it here so I can put it there. And don't be afraid to suggest your own posts if you really believe they are very good.
Feel free, all, to mess around with my recent unilateral contributions. |
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Bowwest
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| The news page is great. I like the links to the u/c pages and and discussion. Awesome! |
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TheBostonian
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| I tried each of the ready-made style sheets that Seedwiki offers and chose the one that seems to give the wiki the most horizontal space. This should make the problem of the wiki being messed up on 600x800 displays a lilttle less likely. |
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statler
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Once again I'd just like to thank everyone who has put so much effort into the Wiki. I think it is an amazing achievement so far. I'm sorry I haven't added anything myself I just can't seem to find the time.
That said I do have a suggestion. Why not a section for Boston's not-so-talls? I'd love to see things like Rowe's Wharf, City Hall (old & new), the State Houses and other important (and no so important) buildings added to the database. Maybe a "Historic Buildings" page. A "Cultural Institutions" page(MFA, ICA, Opera House, etc). "Neighborhood Gems" page(triple deckers and the such). "Government Buildings", "Razed Buildings" (aka "Lost Boston") Just throwing some ideas out there. I would love to see the Wiki evolve into a complete repository of Boston's built environment, past, present, future and future that never was. A tall order to be sure, but over time, achievable.
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Bowwest
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| statler wrote: | Once again I'd just like to thank everyone who has put so much effort into the Wiki. I think it is an amazing achievement so far. I'm sorry I haven't added anything myself I just can't seem to find the time.
That said I do have a suggestion. Why not a section for Boston's not-so-talls? I'd love to see things like Rowe's Wharf, City Hall (old & new), the State Houses and other important (and no so important) buildings added to the database. Maybe a "Historic Buildings" page. A "Cultural Institutions" page(MFA, ICA, Opera House, etc). "Neighborhood Gems" page(triple deckers and the such). "Government Buildings", "Razed Buildings" (aka "Lost Boston") Just throwing some ideas out there. I would love to see the Wiki evolve into a complete repository of Boston's built environment, past, present, future and future that never was. A tall order to be sure, but over time, achievable.
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Those are all great ideas. I was starting to put together a section along the lines of "Architecturally Significant Historic Buildings," but it was alittle overwhelming. Maybe we can make lists of the buildings that should be included in each section here in this thread and then put it up on the wiki. It might not be too pretty at first but once we have some kind of outline everything should start to fall into place. |
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dudeursistershot
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| What font, size, etc did you use for the main page graphics that link to the four pages, bowesst? |
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dudeursistershot
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nevermind, figured it out...
hows this look? |
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Bowwest
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The news link looks great.
I made some new links for the first page. I figure we can include subsections of all other buildings like statler suggested under "Boston's Architecture." I tried to keep the combined width close to 800 pixels. If everyone likes it ok can you set it up like this dude? We can just create empty pages for the two new links for now.
If theres anything you want me to change like the location of the font or anything just let me know.
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Bowwest
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| The font sizes are giving me trouble. I'll get it fixed. |
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statler
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| Wow, those are great bowesst! I love the "Lost Boston" I was thinking an old B&W or sepia photo but I like your photo more. Great work. |
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dudeursistershot
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| It all looks great to me. I assume we'll keep the standard of 700 pixel banners for the rest of the site? You might want to make the ArchBoston Wiki banner 804 pixels as well to match. I'll make images for forum highlights and ab wiki discussion and put them all together into something in the next few days. |
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dudeursistershot
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| statler wrote: | Once again I'd just like to thank everyone who has put so much effort into the Wiki. I think it is an amazing achievement so far. I'm sorry I haven't added anything myself I just can't seem to find the time.
That said I do have a suggestion. Why not a section for Boston's not-so-talls? I'd love to see things like Rowe's Wharf, City Hall (old & new), the State Houses and other important (and no so important) buildings added to the database. Maybe a "Historic Buildings" page. A "Cultural Institutions" page(MFA, ICA, Opera House, etc). "Neighborhood Gems" page(triple deckers and the such). "Government Buildings", "Razed Buildings" (aka "Lost Boston") Just throwing some ideas out there. I would love to see the Wiki evolve into a complete repository of Boston's built environment, past, present, future and future that never was. A tall order to be sure, but over time, achievable.
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These could be cool categories to subdivide the Boston's Architecture page into.
edit: oh yeah, what about an MBTA page? I might as well just make a small button like the News one, no reason to redo all those. or maybe a slim banner to go below the main links, since the MBTA doesn't fit into the other cateegories. we'll see. |
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Bowwest
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| Fixed the font size. Glad you guys like them. |
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TheBostonian
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Just now I put the little news banner on the news page. I was just eager to see it in the wiki, but if you guys had different plans for it you can change it. My idea is to eventually have some content on the main page, including some recent headlines and maybe rotating featured posts or stories, like the first paragraph of the architect of the month posts or something like Bowesst's Custom House article.
With the new "architecture" section, I think I want to take this wiki across the river and put together pages for Simmons Hall and the Stata Center. Do you have a couple representative pictures of each of these buildings, Bowesst, that I can put up? |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| this site is really coming together, I especially enjoyed the city views page, what nice shots! |
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| The site is really awesome now. |
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TheBostonian
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the kind words, DarkFenX. Remember, your contributions are welcome too.
I started some crude pages for "architecturally notable" buildings for the Boston's Architecture section. At the very least I hope I made Bowesst's life easier by making the pages ready for pictures. |
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statler
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Ok I started adding things to Lost Boston but I don't think I did the formatting correctly. Someone want to help a brother out?
Edit: I also added some stuff to "Boston's Architecture". It's a crude list. It needs to be expanded, subdivided and linkified, but I don't have the time yet. Sorry. 
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TheBostonian
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| statler wrote: | | Ok I started adding things to Lost Boston but I don't think I did the formatting correctly. Someone want to help a brother out? |
Keep adding to it. We'll fix it up after and you will learn as you go. |
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TheBostonian
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| To create a new page, simply type the name of it in [Brackets]. To go to the next line without skipping a line, press shift-enter. |
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ablarc
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Guys, inexplicably I just discovered this, and I'm totally floored. What a valuable resource has been produced here! Just an absolutely great job. Makes me sorry I just now became aware, and I hope to get involved right soon (that is, if there's anything left to be done!).
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statler
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| ablarc wrote: | | (that is, if there's anything left to be done!). |
Oh, there's plenty left to be done. We've only just started.
Ron Newman, do you think you could whip up a page of lost theaters? I seem to remember you posting such a list in the past. |
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Bowwest
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| I'm wondering if there is a better way to organize all the buildings. Maybe by year or architectural style? Then once you click on a specific building, along with the date and architect it would list its function (hotel, govt. bldg., etc). If everything was listed out on one page I think it would be alot easier to navigate, kinda like the U/C page. Maybe if there are more than like 20 churches or theaters those can get their own page. This is all just my opinion. I'm just throwing it out there. |
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dudeursistershot
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| bowesst wrote: | | I'm wondering if there is a better way to organize all the buildings. Maybe by year or architectural style? Then once you click on a specific building, along with the date and architect it would list its function (hotel, govt. bldg., etc). If everything was listed out on one page I think it would be alot easier to navigate, kinda like the U/C page. Maybe if there are more than like 20 churches or theaters those can get their own page. This is all just my opinion. I'm just throwing it out there. |
Sounds good to me. Actually, it's a lot easier than having separate pages.
What font/font sizes do you use for the banners? (the ones at the top of the under consturction, boston's tallest, etc pages)? |
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statler
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| bowesst wrote: | | I'm wondering if there is a better way to organize all the buildings. Maybe by year or architectural style? Then once you click on a specific building, along with the date and architect it would list its function (hotel, govt. bldg., etc). If everything was listed out on one page I think it would be alot easier to navigate, kinda like the U/C page. Maybe if there are more than like 20 churches or theaters those can get their own page. This is all just my opinion. I'm just throwing it out there. |
You may be right. I was working on the assumption that eventually there would be >20 buildings of each type and the front page would get very long.
Sorting by year might be a good idea but we don't have that info on a lot of these buildings yet.
Architectual style would be tricky because a lot of buildings don't fit any one style.
Feel free to rearrange. I was just getting my feet wet. I arranged it to how it best made sense in my mind, but that's very rarely the best possible solution. |
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ablarc
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| statler wrote: | | Architectual style would be tricky because a lot of buildings don't fit any one style. |
...or you can legitimately disagree what their style is. There's a kind of numerical objectivity, however, about dates. |
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Bowwest
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| dudeursistershot wrote: | | bowesst wrote: | | I'm wondering if there is a better way to organize all the buildings. Maybe by year or architectural style? Then once you click on a specific building, along with the date and architect it would list its function (hotel, govt. bldg., etc). If everything was listed out on one page I think it would be alot easier to navigate, kinda like the U/C page. Maybe if there are more than like 20 churches or theaters those can get their own page. This is all just my opinion. I'm just throwing it out there. |
Sounds good to me. Actually, it's a lot easier than having separate pages.
What font/font sizes do you use for the banners? (the ones at the top of the under consturction, boston's tallest, etc pages)? |
I forget. I'll have to check once I get home. |
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statler
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Ok, I moved all the buildings to the front page (but left separated by category.) I left the old list up because I don't have time to go through and make sure all those building were added above. If someone wants to clean up my mess I'd appreciate it. Thanks
Edit-Some building are listed twice (aside from the old list) because I wasn't sure where they should go. If someone wants to make an executive decision on that go right ahead.
Edit2- Also reformatted the links page to match the others. Still think it looks too cluttered but I can live with it. |
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TheBostonian
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| I have an idea to make it less cluttery. I'll probably try it late tonight. And it is awesome to see you putting all this work into the wiki. Where, by the way, did you get the dates and architects for all the buildings? |
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TheBostonian
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| TheBostonian wrote: | | I have an idea to make it less cluttery. I'll probably try it late tonight. And it is awesome to see you putting all this work into the wiki. Where, by the way, did you get the dates and architects for all the buildings? |
I made the changes to the links and Boston's Architecture pages that I think make it look less cluttery. Remember, you can easily revert my changes by going to -versions-, choosing the older version you want, clicking -edit- and then -save-. |
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bosma
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The website is really coming along, it's awesome. I spend some time every few days finding info and putting pics on.
Can we Copy and Paste pictures onto the website, I have done it and it seems to work. Or are we supposed to put the link in to our online storage? |
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TheBostonian --
looks like youve really started something big here for a thing begun as an "experiment"...what a good idea. the site is definitely the most interesting I have yet seen on any sort of urban or city related matter. very informing, good work. and good work to everyone who has contributed to the site as well....i like it a lot..
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TheBostonian
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| bosma wrote: | The website is really coming along, it's awesome. I spend some time every few days finding info and putting pics on.
Can we Copy and Paste pictures onto the website, I have done it and it seems to work. Or are we supposed to put the link in to our online storage? |
You can host images with seedwiki, but it is limited to 250 MB with the free account. I'd encourage everyone to host images with whichever photo hosting service is most reliable.
| Patrick wrote: | TheBostonian --
looks like youve really started something big here for a thing begun as an "experiment"...what a good idea. the site is definitely the most interesting I have yet seen on any sort of urban or city related matter. very informing, good work. and good work to everyone who has contributed to the site as well....i like it a lot..
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Yeah, I am delighted that it has caught on and so many people are putting energy into it. |
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TheBostonian
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| vanshnookenraggen: the ICA photos hosted on your website are now dead links. |
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