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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Menino: Fenway plan favors Sox, shortchanges city

By Thomas C. Palmer Jr. and Raphael Lewis, Globe Staff | November 1, 2005

A $55 million state Senate plan to improve the neighborhood around Fenway Park is too accommodating to the Red Sox and shortchanges more critical city transportation needs, Mayor Thomas M. Menino said yesterday.

In the first sign of a split on the fast-moving effort to provide state financing for improvements in the Fenway and Longwood Medical Area neighborhoods, Menino said he wasn't happy with a proposal expected to be released today by the Senate Ways and Means Committee.

The Fenway improvements are part of the so-called Commonwealth Investment Act, which will be debated by the full Senate on Thursday and is expected to pass overwhelmingly.

''The city's not happy with the overall plan," Menino said after a hotel groundbreaking on the South Boston Waterfront. ''The numbers don't match up with the city's plan."

Menino's ire was aimed not only at legislators but also at Red Sox management, which has pushed for public improvements as part of an overall plan to improve and redevelop Fenway Park. ''We've been so good to them," Menino said.

A Boston Redevelopment Authority spokesman later elaborated on Menino's criticism, saying the Senate's plan is too oriented toward giving the team what it wants and not enough toward assisting the broader neighborhood with its immediate congestion problems.

A Red Sox spokesman, Doug Bailey, said the team does not consider the package ''Red Sox-centric."

''We've worked with the neighborhood all along with this project," he said, and found residents, businesses, and institutions to be supportive. ''We will need to sit down with the mayor and discuss exactly what his problems with the package are."

Massachusetts Senate leaders said a week and a half ago that they intended to approve $55 million for improvements in the Fenway Park and Longwood Medical Area, a significant increase over the $12.5 million the House proposed.

In March, the three major owners of the team presented their list of desired road and rail improvements to Menino, the Legislature's leaders, and Governor Mitt Romney, but they did not publicly ask for city or state money. Red Sox president Larry Lucchino attended a meeting about 12 days ago with Senate President Robert E. Travaglini and other senators.

The Senate's plan appears consistent with a new plan jointly developed by the Red Sox and developer John Rosenthal, who has proposed a large mixed-use development for an area near Kenmore Square and Fenway Park. (The New York Times Co., parent company of The Boston Globe, owns 17 percent of the Red Sox.)

The money is about half the amount the Legislature had pledged five years ago, when previous Red Sox owners were contemplating building a new ball park in the area. It would be earmarked largely for converting the Yawkey Way commuter rail station from a part-time to full-time stop, improving four nearby MBTA subway stops, and upgrading the traffic rotary near Landmark Center.

Romney generally supports improvements but has not said whether he likes this particular package.

BRA spokeswoman Meredith Baumann said the money should be targeted to benefit residents and employees of the Fenway and Longwood communities in general -- not so focused on improving the area right around the park.

''The legislation needs to address the entire community," she said. ''Infrastructure improvements should be made that will have impacts both in the short term and the long term."

City planners want short-term improvements along Brookline Avenue, Boylston Street, Audubon Circle, and the Landmark Center rotary, which ''are among the most congested in the city," she said. Signal improvements and establishing one-way traffic will immediately alleviate traffic problems, the city said.

Ann Dufresne, Travaglini's spokeswoman, defended the Senate's spending plan, saying, ''This has always been about helping the hospitals, the universities, the businesses, and the community move people in and out of that area more efficiently. The hospitals in that area tell us it is gridlocked, and it's even difficult to get ambulances through, let alone patients, visitors, and their families."

Menino is not the only one criticizing the Senate's Fenway spending plans.

The Conservation Law Foundation, a powerful advocacy group, said it will take the state to court if money is sunk into the Fenway betterments before other, previously promised projects that helped pave the way for the Big Dig.

Almost two weeks ago, Travaglini suggested the plan was not just for the Red Sox but for the entire Fenway-Longwood area. But Travaglini raised hackles at City Hall by suggesting that the city would have to make a financial contribution too.

Thomas C. Palmer Jr. can be reached at tpalmer@globe.com; Raphael Lewis at rlewis@globe.com.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The real issue with the Sox

By Joan Vennochi, Globe Columnist | November 3, 2005

AFTER THEO, it's a whole new ballgame.

The Boston Red Sox lost general manager Theo Epstein -- and, perhaps, their political fastball.

The ball club hopes to win $55 million from the state for what they label neighborhood improvements before the legislative session ends this month. Yet even the Sox-loving mayor of Boston went public this week with concerns that the proposed taxpayer-funded improvements benefit the Sox more than their neighbors.

In an interview, Menino said he has two basic questions: ''What's the rush?" and ''Where's the plan?"

The Sox proposal, according to Menino, takes control away from the city. He also said it also skirts broad neighborhood planning issues and the specific concerns of nearby institutions such as Boston University and the hospitals in the Longwood Medical Area. ''How does it all work together?" Menino asked. ''Where do the numbers -- the $55 million -- come from?"

On Beacon Hill, the Sox present their case as part of a grand plan for the Kenmore-Fenway-Longwood area. They argue that many components were taken from various city blueprints for the area, drawn up on Menino's watch.

But the Sox agenda, as described by CEO Larry Lucchino, is mostly about the Sox. The mission, he said during a brief conversation this week, is to ''preserve, protect, and connect."

The ball club is investing about $100 million to preserve Fenway Park and enhance the Fenway experience.

But Sox owners also want to make sure the ballpark is not what they describe as ''the jewel in the junkyard."

To that end, they want to protect and grow their investment by enhancing property values around Fenway, which also increase the ballpark's value. The Sox recently signed a letter of intent with the Sage family for a joint venture to tear down the aging Howard Johnson's motor lodge on Boylston Street and replace it with a 200-room hotel and market-rate condos. The Sox are also working with developer John Rosenthal, who has proposed a large mixed-use development for an area near Kenmore Square and Fenway Park. (The New York Times Co., parent company of The Boston Globe, owns 17 percent of the Boston Red Sox.)

The ''connect" part of the Lucchino equation involves making it easier to get to the ballpark, and that is where the public money for which they are currently lobbying comes in. The ballclub wants the $55 million to convert the Yawkey Way commuter rail station from a part-time to a full-time stop, improve four nearby MBTA subway stops, and upgrade the traffic rotary near Landmark Center. The ballclub also hopes to reap game day revenue from two proposed 900-car garages that would be financed with tax-exempt bonds.

It may seem odd that the state Legislature is poised to hand over $55 million so the Boston Red Sox can essentially control development around them, even while the mayor still questions their agenda.

But then, it's not that odd, is it? Baseball is such a priority in this Athens of America that the future of the 31-year-old, now ex-Sox GM takes precedence over all other local and national matters. So, too, if the Sox wanted neighborhood improvements, that desire took precedence over other infrastructure needs -- at least up until this week.

Asked to respond to Menino's concerns, Sox spokesman Doug Bailey said, ''We believe that the Senate's package accurately reflects the leadership and directives that the mayor himself has brought to bear on these issues, and, in fact, his stewardship can be seen in much of the legislation, since the major elements come from a variety of city planning initiatives. However, we look forward to talking to him after his reelection and hearing directly from him what his concerns are and how they can be addressed."

Menino is only part of the political problem right now. The bigger problem is trustworthiness and credibility.

Sox principal owner John Henry was asked about what he labeled ''the trust issue" during yesterday's press conference to address Epstein's resignation. Henry denied there was a ''trust issue" between Epstein and Lucchino. But media accounts point to at least a perception of bad faith, leading to Epstein's decision to walk.

Lucchino is also the Red Sox point man on Beacon Hill, responsible for coordinating the lobbying effort for the $55 million proposal.

After Theo, taxpayers might legitimately wonder: If Epstein couldn't trust Sox management, why should they?

Joan Vennochi's e-mail address is vennochi@globe.com.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"To that end, they want to protect and grow their investment by enhancing property values around Fenway, which also increase the ballpark's value."

That's what its all about. They are business men. They only care so much about how nice the neighborhood is to the degree it affects their profits. Thats fine. The owners and the city should have a mutually beneficial relationship but the city shouldn't be making compromises that may negatively affect the area 50 years from now (like allowing the Red Sox to dictate the height of new projects).
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Improving transit stations benefits everyone, not just the Red Sox and its fans.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sox purchases not ?real? estate values
By Scott Van Voorhis
Friday, November 4, 2005 - Updated: 08:14 AM EST

John Henry?s Red Sox ownership group is adopting stealth real estate tactics as it quietly snaps up properties around Fenway Park, from a radio station building to a taxi cab garage.
Even as the Sox go on a property spending spree in a bid to protect antique Fenway Park from encroachment by high-rise developers, the team and its real estate advisors are structuring deals to keep secret acquisition prices, real estate records show.
Sox owners are hoping this secrecy will help keep prices from skyrocketing as the team acquires commercial property in the gritty neighborhood that surrounds the ballpark.
?They are doing as much as they can to keep the prices they are going to pay down,? said Bill Richardson, president of the Fenway Civic Association. ?They are obviously pretty shrewd businesssmen over there.?
The team?s corporate parent, New England Sports Ventures, is recorded in county property docments as paying only a nominal price for two recent Fenway acquisitions.
The Sox are recorded as paying a mere $1 for a defunct Latin nightclub at 1270 Boylston St., owned by Hub nightclub king Patrick Lyons. The team paid $10 for the WBCN building at 1265 Boylston St., records show. The sale prices are not believed to be true purchase prices, but rather stand-ins for meatier transactions to come later, an executive familiar with the details said.
In a third case, the Sox bought the corporation that owned a taxi cab garage, instead of directly buying the property itself, ensuring that deal does not show up in real estate records, said one source familiar with the transaction.
Typically, most sale prices, from modest condos to downtown office towers, are recorded in county registries and available for public review. Real estate professionals pore over this data, which can be used to set higher prices through the use of ?comparable? sales.
Sox owners also recently shelled out $178,727 in excise taxes due from their $700 million-plus acquisition of the franchise and its various assets, a bill that dates to 2002. The tax was related to the sale of Fenway Park.
Despite the secrecy around the team?s current property acquisitions, an executive said the deals are not an attempt to avoid paying another round of excise taxes, which would be minimal.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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By Steve Bailey | November 4, 2005

The Red Sox lost a general manager, but they gained a hotel. Like Theo Epstein, Boston developer Steve Weiner is left on the outside looking in. Unlike Epstein, Weiner really wanted in -- and he is fuming.

Weiner is not angry at the Red Sox, but he is furious with Boston hotelier Robert Sage, a man he considered a friend. According to several executives who took part in the talks, Weiner and Sage spent nine months negotiating a deal to tear down Sage's ratty Howard Johnson's hotel adjacent to Fenway Park and replace it with a larger hotel and condominium project. The two men had partnership papers nearly complete, and Weiner had hired an architect and had developed a model of the condo units. Most importantly, at least from Weiner's point of view, the two men had shaken hands on the deal, not once but twice, these executives say.

Then about three weeks ago Sage broke the news to Weiner: The deal was off because he was making a deal with the Sox. Weiner never saw it coming. ''This came out of the blue," says a colleague. ''He was absolutely shocked."

Sage confirmed he had detailed discussions with Weiner, but said it was his longtime minority partners, the Puro family in particular, who opted to go with the Red Sox. He said there were many ''open issues" with Weiner, adding ''we never had a 100 percent deal."

''There are good losers and sometimes bad losers," Sage said. ''I have had deals where we lost. But I have never been a bad loser."

The Weiner faction, which spent about $150,000 on preconstruction costs, feels Sage used them to get a better deal with the Red Sox. Weiner, whose company, S.R. Weiner and Associates, owns the Mall at Chestnut Hill and dozens of other malls in the Northeast, declined to comment beyond saying, ''My word is my bond."

The team's voracious appetite for Fenway real estate, stoked by Sox planner Janet Marie Smith's expanding vision, has yet to be satisfied. The Red Sox recently inquired about buying the rundown Buckminster Hotel in Kenmore Square, but were rebuffed by co-owner Shlomo Salomon, industry executives say. Salomon did not return my calls. A Sox spokesman declined to comment about Sage or the Buckminster.

The Red Sox should take care that their ambitions as developers do not to get them sideways with Mayor Tom Menino. The mayor's recent objection to the state Senate's proposal for $55 million of transportation improvements for the Fenway neighborhood is more than interesting, considering how tight the mayor and the team have been up until now.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another team wins a big one for the Red Sox
Ball club's lobbyists, title help get funds for Fenway

By Frank Phillips and Raphael Lewis, Globe Staff | November 29, 2005

They once traveled the halls of Beacon Hill, occupying powerful positions and brokering behind-the scenes deals. Now well-connected lobbyists, they were signed up this year by one of the state's best-known special interests: the Boston Red Sox.

With the help of their lobbying team, the Red Sox accomplished the politically difficult task of persuading legislative leaders to agree to spend as much as $55 million in public money to spruce up the area around Fenway Park and the neighboring Longwood Medical Area.

They did it by making key alliances with neighborhood and area business groups and by gaining access to top legislative leaders. They even brought the World Series trophy to an Election Day luncheon for Senate President Robert E. Travaglini shortly after last year's Sox victory.

For the Sox, the funding would protect the ownership's investment in the fabled 93-year-old ballpark that is at the heart of the team's legendary history. The money would also serve the team's emerging plans to become a major real estate developer in the vicinity of the ballpark, though the proposed spending is causing some grumbling from development watchdogs who say the team has vaulted over other transit needs. The New York Times Co., parent company of The Boston Globe, owns 17 percent of the Red Sox.

''If you are surrounded by the wrong development, it doesn't make sense to put $200 million into a ballpark," said Larry Cancro, the team's vice president for Fenway affairs.

Five years ago, lawmakers approved $100 million to complement the team's now-abandoned plans to build a new Fenway Park. When the team changed ownership, the state spending, which was to have rebuilt nearby transit stations and improved streets, was left in limbo.

But all that changed after the Sox announced they would remain at Fenway Park.

Early this year, Sox officials, including chief executive Larry Lucchino and their lobbying team, joined by representatives from neighborhood groups, began making rounds at the State House. Travaglini's office reports that the Red Sox and others pushing the plan held four meetings between early March and mid-October with Travaglini, his staff, and other senators.

The Red Sox strategy team includes William F. Kennedy, chief of staff and legal counsel to former House speaker Thomas M. Finneran. Also hired was the Karol Group, whose principals are the former House chairman of the Legislature's Transportation Committee, Stephen J. Karol, and W. Paul White, a Dorchester Democrat and former assistant majority leader in the Senate.

Cancro said the team turned to Kennedy because, as Finneran's former chief aide, he was at the center of legislative approval of the $100 million aid package for the Red Sox in 2000. He said the team hired Karol and White because their company is a leader in state transportation issues.

The Sox are also drawing on a politically wired public strategy and public relations firm, Rasky Baerlein Strategic Communications. One of the firm's principals, Larry Rasky, has worked for top Democrats over the years.

But with Rasky's expertise comes baggage from a feud with Mayor Thomas M. Menino that goes back two decades and stems from a dispute over a cable television company in Charlestown when Menino was a member of the City Council. Some think it played a role in Rasky's being cut out of bidding for the public relations contract for the Boston Convention Center a decade ago.

Cancro, a veteran Red Sox official, is well known on Beacon Hill and has particularly good personal connections with Travaglini. For example, the Sox official showed up at Travaglini's Senate reelection victory party with the team's World Series trophy.

Travaglini said that his relationship with Cancro goes back 20 years and that he considers him a friend. But he said Cancro and the other lobbyists involved were not a determining factor in his decision.

''To suggest somehow that this is to give $55 million to Larry Cancro is totally off the mark," Travaglini said. ''The question is, does the project have merit?"

''I am only concerned about merit, not who's working for whom," Travaglini said. ''Lobbying doesn't weigh that heavily in my deliberations."

Travaglini said that the hospitals and educational institutions near Fenway made compelling arguments that heavy traffic congestion, particularly in the Longwood Avenue and Boylston Street intersections, is choking the area.

''We have to make these investments," he said. ''Ambulances can't get patients through to the hospitals. Just on that alone we should do it."

He added he did not ask that Cancro bring the World Series trophy to a luncheon that Travaglini throws each Election Day in East Boston.

Under the Senate's $55 million plan, the money would go to re-configure streets and rebuild mass transportation stations. A key component was a strategy to marshal strong backing from neighbors and area community associations and embrace much of their development agenda.

Cancro's influence did not carry as much weight in the House, where Speaker Salvatore F. DiMasi included only $12 million in a House spending bill for the neighborhood. DiMasi is advising the Red Sox to work with the MBTA to seek more public money.

The House and Senate versions of the bill will be negotiated by lawmakers in the coming weeks.

''The Red Sox are a big economic driver in that area," said state Representative Daniel E. Bosley, House chairman of the Committee on Economic Development. ''There is some legitimacy to their concerns, regardless of whether the $55 million is a good idea." He said none of the team's State House lobbyists have talked to him.

In the weeks since the Senate plan was announced, the success that the Red Sox and their lobbying team are having on Beacon Hill has drawn criticism that the sports team, with its iconic standing in Boston, is getting special treatment while other needs are going unfunded.

Menino is rankled that state lawmakers ignored the city's planning for the Longwood area in favor of the Red Sox development plans. An environmental group says the Red Sox project is leapfrogging other long-promised transit improvements that the state pledged as part of the Big Dig project.

''People who live on the B and C line have been begging, and people on the Blue and Red lines have been clamoring," said Julia Bovey, spokeswoman for the Conservation Law Foundation.

''How come this poor guy in Jamaica Plain can't get the Arborway line restored?" she added. ''The state had a legally binding commitment on that project, and he's been jumping up and down about that for 20 years? But the Red Sox have lobbyists, so they get their project funded."

Many state officials traditionally have been reluctant to funnel money directly to a sports stadium. In 1999, when the New England Patriots were considering a move to Connecticut, the state agreed to spend $70 million on infrastructure improvements near the team's new stadium, with Robert Kraft paying back $1.4 million a year and giving an easement on his land.

In the case of the Red Sox, the team reached out to Fenway neighbors, who have in the past been at odds with the Red Sox management, to present a solid front. Community leaders say that transportation upgrades and other improvements that the team and nearby hospitals are pushing have long been on the agenda of the Fenway Park area.

''The reason why the money starts flowing is because groups like the Red Sox are actively pushing it, but it's been the desire to improve the public transportation in the area for some time," said Marc A. Laderman, who sits on the Boston Redevelopment Authority's citizens advisory committee on the future of turnpike air rights and is also a board member of the Fenway Community Development Corporation.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:25 pm    Post subject: Red Sox making deals -- for property around Fenway Park Reply with quote

Red Sox making deals -- for property around Fenway Park

By Ken Maguire, Associated Press Writer | December 17, 2005

BOSTON --The Red Sox have been busy making deals they say will help the team for years to come.

"We just want to protect our investment," said Janet Marie Smith, the team's senior vice president of planning and development.

Sound baseball judgment. But she's not talking about signing free agents. She's referring to the team's latest real estate acquisitions.

The Red Sox, having decided they're staying long-term in Fenway Park, are gobbling up properties around the aging ballpark.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/12/17/red_sox_making_deals____for_property_around_fenway_park/
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the Globe article:

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They also successfully fought a proposal that would have placed two 40-story residential towers over the Massachusetts Turnpike between the famed Citgo sign and the fabled Green Monster -- not exactly the backdrop they'd like for Fenway Park and its fans.




I don't think any tower taller than 29 stories was ever proposed there.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems absurd to preserve a giant gasoline ad in Boston. But even worse, Citgo is now a subsidiary of Venezuela's state-owned oil company. Mr. Menino: tear down this sign!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is that worse?

Wasn't it always a Venezuela state oil company?

I hope it stays there after Citgo disappears....it's commercial art!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Citgo has always been a Venezuela state oil company, but most of their refining does take place in this country. The sign may seem a little irritating now that Chavez has become a classic South American dictator....I mean Distinguished President for Life TM. But, it's still a commercial landmark and I'm sure whatever detractors that come from Citgo's political connections will be resolved when Chavez eventually gets the boot from his people.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets derail important, reasonable development so we can preserve the view of a gasoline advertisement. Only in Boston.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One solution is to build a 500 footer in the area and place the CITGO sign on top. That way people could see it for miles around (as well as from Fenway Park) and there could be new development in the area too.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe once the over pike garage is built the Citgo sign can be moved to the top level to preserve the view of the sign from Fenway park while allowing development in and around Kenmore Square.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Citgo was acquired by the Venzuelan state oil company by 1990, according to the unsourced Wikipedia article. I just assumed it was more recent. And I do like the idea of moving the sign rather than keeping it as an excuse to restrict development.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Citgo sign is an (unofficial) landmark. Would you suggest moving Fanieul Hall because it stands in the way of developing skyscrapers downtown? How about the Old City Hall? Or the Granary Burying Ground? Would it be ok to build skyscrapers above these landmarks?

The Citgo sign is one of the things that makes Boston, Boston. In fact, I'm still pretty dissapointed by the new LED version rather than the old neon version -- it still looks wrong to me in the skyline from Cambridge -- too artificial. But it would look even more wrong without it there. Not only that, its one of the things that makes Fenway Park, Fenway Park. A great part of the allure of Fenway is that if you go, you can imagine that you are partaking in an experience not too different from one 25 years ago. With some stretch in clothing styles and gender of the fans, you can imagine the experience back to 50 or 65 years ago (when the sign was first built). Its an experience that should be preserved.

Furthermore, this isn't the central downtown district, or even Back Bay. Yes, more infill development over the Pike (even, heaven forbid, parking garages that could replace parking in more palatable building locations) would be nice in this area -- the Boylston St. area under development could be very nicely knitted together with Kenmore Square. But we don't need skyscrapers here to do it.

I'd much rather see more height in Back Bay/Boylston corridor -- the Mass Ave condo tower (Boylston Sq.) ... or the South Station Tower ... or the Gateway Center (South Bay) plans ... or a landmark building in the triangular lot next to the Trilogy building ... or on Huntington Ave. in place of the Colonade Motel ...

But lets not advocate mucking about with one of the great 20th century landmarks of Boston.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lurker wrote:
The sign may seem a little irritating now that Chavez has become a classic South American dictator...


can someone explain to me how an extremely popular, democratically elected president of a soverign nation is a dictator?

is it because his political views are contrary to those prevailing in America?
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bump
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off, F the Yankees. Second, I was reading this article in the NY Times about how the Yankees wanting to build a new stadium and fix up the South Bronx but the neighborhood being vocally against the plan. I thought it would be an interesting addition to this thread to see how similar plans are being delt with in another city.

Sorry if this offends anyone.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/07/nyregion/07bronx.html?hp

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A Bronx Cheer
By CHARLES V. BAGLI and TIMOTHY WILLIAMS
Published: January 7, 2006

When the January wind whips down the Harlem River in the South Bronx, threading through the 1920's facade of Yankee Stadium, baseball season seems far away. But in the Highbridge neighborhood around the stadium this year, the sport is on many minds.

It was six months ago that the Yankees proposed building an $800 million, 53,000-seat stadium that the team would pay for entirely. The city would replace the 22 acres the team wants for the stadium in the Mullaly and Macombs Dam parks with 28 acres of parks, ball fields and tennis courts.

It seemed like a perfect plan. The South Bronx, where the Yankees would remain, would get a new shot at economic revival. Elected officials could boast that they had kept the club in the Bronx at modest public cost. And the team would get a stadium with plenty of luxury boxes.

But now the few murmurs of dissent that greeted the proposal have swelled into something stronger, even with baseball and opening day a distant dream.

"I'm a Yankee fan," Ernesto Maldonado, who lives just west of the Yankees' historic home, said during a noisy public hearing last month in the rotunda of the Bronx County Courthouse, where the team laid out its plans to build a new home in two neighborhood parks. The meeting attracted no fewer than 500 people, with dozens forced to wait outside.

"I'm totally opposed to this," he said. "We've never benefited from the stadium,and we don't believe we'll ever benefit from it."

Much of the anger is focused on a plan that would eliminate nearly all of the popular Mullaly and Macombs Dam parks, which are about as old as Yankee Stadium itself, and replace them with smaller parks scattered around the neighborhood. Some would be placed on the roofs of new garages for stadium parking, and one would be on the waterfront along the river.

But the team's plan has also suffered from a longstanding perception that the Yankees have been a bad neighbor with nothing but contempt for residents of one of the city's most impoverished neighborhoods. The dispute has reopened old fissures between the club and residents who still resent the team owner George Steinbrenner's loud complaints about falling attendance and crime at a time when the most common arrest on game days was of drunken fans for public urination.

The knotty relationship has been complicated by the team's periodic threats to move to Manhattan or New Jersey.

In recent months, the Yankees have increased contributions to Bronx youth groups and access to Spanish-language newspaper and television reporters. But many residents complain that the team reaps millions of dollars of revenue in the South Bronx, but performs little meaningful community outreach and did not consult most residents about the new stadium plan until November. Few have forgotten the furor over a Yankee executive, Richard Kraft, the team's vice president for community relations, who in 1994 resigned over remarks attributed to him in which the phrases "colored boy" and "monkeys" were used to describe neighborhood youths.

"They just ignore this community," said Mary L. Blassingame, 64, a member of Community Board 4, whose district includes the stadium. "If they had been a good neighbor, they would not have put this plan through."

Critics of the plan have started petition drives and held protests. The plan was rejected by the local community board - a move that, while not legally binding, is an important gauge of the neighborhood's mood, and was especially embarrassing to Adolfo Carri?n Jr., the Bronx borough president, who supports the new stadium and appointed the board's 50 members.

To go forward, the stadium proposal needs the approval of the city's Planning Commission, which is scheduled to take it up later this month, and eventually by the City Council.

It calls for construction to start by this summer, and for the new stadium to be ready by opening day in April 2009. When the stadium is finished, the current structure would be razed and transformed into a public park with baseball and softball fields. A soccer field and a track would be built on the street-level roof of one parking garage, while another garage would be turned into a skating rink.

Residents, however, say that the new parks would be a patchwork compared with what they now have, and that the two new proposed parks on top of parking garages are especially inappropriate for a neighborhood in which community leaders have complained about high rates of asthma.

The Yankees and the city's Parks Department, which is overseeing the project's design, say they are working closely with the community to allay concerns, but that the current plan would greatly benefit the neighborhood economically and provide more parkland. The Parks Department has committed to spending $110 million on new parks in the area.

"People understandably have a tough time looking past what they have now, but in the end, they're going to have nicer facilities," said Joshua Laird, chief of planning for the Parks Department.

The plan is supported by almost all of the area's elected officials, as well as by some residents. Some support groups have received money from the Yankees.

Although the Yankees have agreed to pay for the cost of the stadium, the team would not pay rent, property taxes or sales tax on construction. The city would spend up to $135 million on replacing and improving local parks; the state would provide about $70 million for four new parking garages and low-interest financing.

Randy Levine, president of the Yankees, said the team has tried to burnish its image in the Bronx in recent five years and deepen its ties to the community. In the past, he conceded, the stadium was "like an island in the Bronx," remote and uninviting.

Last year, he said, $291,000 of the $1.5 million distributed by the Yankee Foundation nationally went to dozens of Bronx community groups, including Little League teams, the youth leadership program at 12 Bronx community boards, a soup kitchen and various churches. The team itself gave out an additional $450,000 in tickets, bats, balls, uniforms and caps, he said.

Brian Smith, the Yankees' director of community relations, said he was unsure how the team's contributions to Bronx-based groups in recent years compared with the 1990's.

Gary Israel, coach of the Morris High School robotics team, said that he was shocked by the criticism of the Yankees, who had been helpful to his program. Over three years, the Yankee Foundation gave the robotics team $39,000, helping it travel across the country to compete.

Mr. Carri?n said the project would guarantee construction jobs for residents of the Bronx, which has the highest unemployment rate in New York State. "There's always been opposition to change, and the argument that I'm making is that this is a change for the better," Mr. Carri?n said.

Still, the Yankees lack a deep reservoir of good will in the surrounding neighborhood where residents might otherwise have given the team the benefit of the doubt. Highbridge residents have collected thousands - they say more than 4,000 - of signatures opposing the project.

The Mullaly and Macombs Dam parks attract large crowds, particularly on summer weekends, and have been the playing fields of generations of children who dreamed of playing in the stadium next door. Macombs Dam Park's quarter-mile track had once been a major training center for athletes, including Hannes Kohlemainen, a long-distance runner from Finland who won three gold medals in the 1912 Olympics. It is now used for school track meets.

The location and utility of the new parks is crucial, because federal law dictates that if parkland is removed from public use, it must be replaced by public parks of "at least equal fair market value and of reasonably equivalent usefulness and location."

Some residents are also concerned about traffic, noise and pollution. And they complained that the parks would not be completed until after the stadium is completed, and that a rooftop ball field is a poor substitute for a tree-lined park.

"We are not against the new stadium," said Pasquale Canale, a member of the community board, president of the 161st Street Merchants Association and the owner of the Hero Factory sandwich shop. "We're against taking parks away from the neighborhood and sandwiching that big stadium up against the apartment buildings right across the street."

Mr. Laird said the city had accelerated the creation of parks and ball fields because of community comments and at Mr. Carri?n's urging.

Still, Peggy Escalera, a 35-year resident whose two sons grew up playing in the park, did not feel assured as she listened at the public hearing on Dec. 12. Some of her neighbors were barred from the hearing because construction workers backing the project had gotten in early, taking many seats.

"We just feel so disrespected," she said. "People feel as if they weren't consulted. They created a plan, and then talked to the community."
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Swinging for next-to-the-park homer
By Scott Van Voorhis/ Dealmakers
Friday, February 3, 2006 - Updated: 08:12 AM EST


Buy a condo and see a ballgame at Fenway Park.

If that sounds like a dream combination, then the Sage family, longtime Hub hoteliers, has a deal for you.

The Sages, owners of a 1950s Howard Johnson hotel next door to Fenway Park, are putting the finishing touches on a deal to redevelop their key property with an unusual partner ? Wall Street financier John Henry and his Red Sox ownership group.

That partnership agreement ? which gives the Sox a roughly equal share in the development ? is expected shortly, Bill Sage said yesterday.

Meanwhile, an agreement with Arrowstreet, a well-regarded local
architecture firm, was slated to be signed last night.

Goodbye HoJo?s, and hello sparkling new hotel and condo high-rise ? one, that, not surprisingly, will likely include a menu of tie-ins to the action at Fenway Park.

Current plans call for a mix of 275 hotel rooms ? a combination of a traditional mid-market and an extended-stay hotel ? and 170 condos. There will be stores and restaurants as well.

?I think we both have the same principles and goals,? Sage said yesterday of the pending Sox deal. ?I think they like dealing with us, and we like dealing with them.?

One idea being batted about, Bill Sage said, would be to offer hotel room packages that include tickets or access to events over at Fenway. Condo owners in turn, would be first in line for any special deals or service available for hotel guests.

While the height of the new condo and hotel complex has yet to be hammered out, some units may include a view of sorts of the inside of the park, Sage acknowledged.

Still, Sage said no one should plan on buying a condo in a bid to get a birds-eye view of the action. The tallest part of the development will be pushed back, away from the park toward Boylston Street.

?I have had some people tell us that they like just the idea of being next to the ballpark,? Sage said. ?But they shouldn?t expect (that), ?Gee, I will buy a condo and get to see all the baseball games.? It?s not going to work like that.?

Moreover, it?s doctors and medical workers at the nearby Longwood Medical District ? not starry-eyed Sox fans ? who are the primary market, Sage insisted.

But those docs had better be good Sox fans, or living next to Fenway may be more than they bargained for.

That may be getting ahead of the story. After all, the Sage family spent years batting around various development plans. Is it serious this time?

Here?s a sign: The Boston hotel family, as it draws up plans for its dream Fenway complex, has just sold and cashed in another longtime, and lucrative, holding.

Nordic Properties, an aggressive local development firm, has agreed to buy the Sages? Radisson Hotel on Memorial Drive in Cambridge.

Nordic gets a spectacular site overlooking the Charles, with plans to build condos in front of the hotel.

And the Sage family gets a cool $30 million ? real money that will likely come in handy as it pursues longtime Fenway development dreams.

File under sage planning.

Federated Department Stores may be slowly grinding toward a conclusion in its high-profile sale of the landmark Filene?s building in Downtown Crossing, real estate executives say.

There is silence surrounding the deal, a possible sign that Federated may be hashing out details of a sale agreement that will set the stage for a mega-redevelopment of the site, executives said.

A number of local players have bid, including State Street tower developer John Hynes and Celtics owner and Boston developer Robert Epstein.
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?A complete transformation of the neighborhood?
By Scott Van Voorhis
Thursday, February 9, 2006


The development boom around Fenway Park is poised to kick into high gear, with a pair of prominent builders laying plans for a third major residential high-rise near the ballfield.

Developers Steve Samuels and Bill McQuillan are putting the finishing touches on their swank new 17-story Trilogy apartment tower on Boylston Street. Meanwhile, Samuels is moving ahead with plans for 1330 Boylston ? a condo high-rise complex slated to take shape literally across the street.

Now the two developers are eyeing yet another Boylston project ? one that could be the tallest residential complex yet built near the antique ballpark.

McQuillan said he and Samuels are close to assembling a site at the corner of Brookline and Boylston for a new high-rise that could be as tall as 20-stories.

Behind the move is a groundswell of demand for new housing near Fenway, a boom driven in part by the exploding growth of major hospitals and research institutions in the nearby Longwood Medical Area.

?What we are going to see over the next six or seven years is a complete transformation of the neighborhood,? McQuillan told members of the National Association of Industrial and Office Properties at a briefing yesterday morning.

Plans for the third project are preliminary, with not even the format set in stone, McQuillan cautioned.

But with a limited amount of space to work with on Boylston, a condo tower would be the likely play.

City zoning rules allow for a 20-story tower.

?When you built 10 years ago (in Boston), height was a no-no,? McQuillan said. ?I think we are having a much-needed discussion on height.?

The planning comes amid signs of strong demand for housing in the area. McQuillan said 200 people have already expressed interest in renting units at Trilogy, which is not scheduled to open until the summer.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this the site where the idea of a flatiron building was tossed around?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeGallows wrote:
Is this the site where the idea of a flatiron building was tossed around?



Yes.
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20 stories plus shrimpy lot = great building. There's no room for setbacks or green space, so this one should be hard to screw up. This is a place for a building that hollers. Just please don't holler "Boston Pre-cast!" They also need to do something about public transportation in this area for it to not suck.
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chumbolly wrote:
They also need to do something about public transportation in this area for it to not suck.


If it's going to house lots of Longwood workers, it's going to create a lot of pedestrian commuters. I trust medical professionals understand the value of a little excercise as well as anyone. And part of the reason the land's so attractive to build is because there's plenty nearby.

Still, this area's right by Kenmore Square, and is a plausible (~20 min.) walk from Ruggles. The Urban Ring would pass through Longwood and somewhere between Kenmore and BU West on its way to Cambridgeport. If that ever gets done. Certainly, the more Fenway gets built up, the more pressure there will be to build the Urban Ring. (Ditto for North Point and anything else in its path.)
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This is a month old, but interesting nonetheless. It's a good thing the Sox aren't a big home run hitting team....

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/02/08/winds_and_losses/

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Winds and losses
Nearby buildings could deliver blow to Sox' HR totals

Renovations at Fenway Park may not affect wind currents there, but Trilogy, the Fenway Ventures development at the intersection of Boylston Street and Brookline Avenue (background), may. (Globe Staff Photo / Stan Grossfeld)

By Stan Grossfeld, Globe Staff | February 8, 2006

Forget about Manny's state of mind, David Wells's California dreamin', and whether the new slick-fielding shortstop can hit his weight.

Literally.

Wind patterns in the 94-year-old baseball temple are being affected by new construction in the neighborhood, and it just might turn a David Ortiz bleacher blast into a warning-track catch by a certain clean-shaven Yankees center fielder.

''We had a wind study done by an independent consultant," said John Giangregorio of D'Agostino, Izzo and Quirk, chief architects of the ongoing renovations at the park. ''I think you'll find that there might be slightly fewer balls that are going to find their way those last few feet over the fence or over the Green Monster. I think somebody like Ortiz is not going to like that."

Giangregorio built a 1:500 scale model of Fenway and observed wind tests recently at MIT's Wright Brothers Wind Tunnel. The Sox wanted to see whether their own new construction inside the park affected wind patterns.

But according to Janet Marie Smith, the Red Sox' senior vice president for planning and development, the tests raised more concerns about the hot real estate market around Fenway Park.

''If I had to worry about the winds, it would be the concern with the [17-story] Trilogy project down the street," said Smith. ''It's going to impact the wind. That is the direction [southwest] of the prevailing winds in spring and summer."

Trilogy is a $200 million Fenway Ventures development at the intersection of Boylston Street and Brookline Avenue. It will include 12-, 15-, and 17-story towers linked by 10-story mid-rise buildings. It will feature shops and much-needed housing for the nearby medical community. The project was hailed as an ''anchor for a new and revitalized Boylston Street," by Mayor Thomas M. Menino.

But the jury is still out as to whether it will be an anchor to fly balls arching toward the Green Monster.

''If the winds change, it won't be anything we've done, it will be having a taller building [nearby]," said Smith. ''If it were any closer, we'd be really concerned about it. It's probably just on the cusp."

According to architect Giangregorio, the wind effect is noticeable from Trilogy, which is 800-900 feet away.

''We did look at the model with just the Trilogy on it and no other development on it," said Giangregorio. ''What we found was that the Trilogy building increases the turbulence in the air above Fenway Park and elevates the shear layer somewhat above the shear level of the .406 Club. So it does have some effect."

The shear layer is the difference between the constant flow of wind at a certain height and the stationary wind that's captured by the bowl inside Fenway Park.

''It's mostly increasing turbulence, which means that instead of smooth flow over the park you get wind that's twisting in eddies in kind of unpredictable ways," said Giangregorio. ''You could generalize and say it's not a good effect on the ball, but what effect is it? It's hard to say, specifically.

''But it definitely showed that it did change patterns. There's definitely more turbulence in the air around the park. It's not a clear flow the way a wake behind a boat might be.

''I don't think it's going to slow down home runs, but it means more that it doesn't help because it's an unpredictable air flow and the ball might have to travel a little bit higher to the point where the wind might help it.

''Does it have an effect that gets it to the center-field fence and it needs just 1 or 2 feet more to get over? Those balls might be affected, you might find that less of those will make the distance. Could you put a number on it? Not really."


Differing opinions
Steven Samuels, president and chief executive officer of Samuels and Associates, co-developer of the 1-million-square-foot project, thinks talk of a wind change is all hot air.

''We have no evidence, no indication that this is factual," said Samuels. ''We heard they were going to do a wind study, but we heard no results of it whatsoever."

Samuels, who said the top floors do not have a view of the playing field, denied a request to allow a photographer access.

''Whatever comments are being made, I don't know anything about it," he said. ''That's the first I'm hearing of that. I have a very amicable relationship with the Red Sox."

Samuels said Fenway Ventures, a joint venture between his company and Boylston Properties, did its own wind studies and Trilogy passed with flying colors.

''The appropriate way to do them [is] you measure the wind effects around [the building] based on pedestrians," he said. ''That's what you're worried about, what wind does on the ground."

Fans buying tickets at the Fenway box office this week seemed more concerned with getting two seats together than with the wind.

''I don't care about that; the Red Sox don't own the sky," said Dr. Bruce Koplan of Brookline, who purchased two grandstand seats a row apart. ''I'm more concerned with brokers buying up the seats and creating a secondary market."

Red Sox president/CEO Larry Lucchino said the wind issue is overblown.

''It's coming from an independent outside consultant whose work I have not seen," Lucchino said.

The Fenway neighborhood is a touchy subject for Red Sox brass, given their own expansion plans. He said Samuels and the Red Sox have a ''good working relationship."

''It's not a matter of major concern to us at this point," added Lucchino. ''We would be concerned if it were closer and we were told the nearness would have a detrimental effect.

''We are not concerned with Trilogy at this point. Our job is to preserve and protect Fenway Park. Trilogy has not had any material detrimental effect to Fenway as far as we can tell."

Boggs: 'I was right'
The wind has been an issue at Fenway Park since the Red Sox added the .406 Club (nee 600 Club) in 1989. Former Red Sox third baseman Wade Boggs was adamant that it kept down his home run total.

Sox fans had hoped that the reconfiguration of the Club and the new open-air seating would add some pop to the Sox' bats. Smith says that's not the case.

''It won't have a thing to do with that, either way," she said. ''What changed the home runs when it was built was the sheer mass of that volume, and the envelope is the same. The seats will be out in the fresh air once again, but the volume that captures the prevailing winds as they come across doesn't change at all."

Smith said the height of the structure behind home plate remains exactly the same, and the wind still will be blocked.

The height of Fenway Park on the first and third base sides will rise by more than 20 feet to accommodate six more rows of seating. But the Sox say this will have a negligible effect on wind currents.

''The outcome of the report was we were not going to be changing in any material way the outcome of the wind inside Fenway Park with the new additions," said Giangregorio.

But the study seems to vindicate Boggs's theory.

''It's what I've been saying all along," contended the Hall of Famer. ''It did make a difference on the ball. It's nice to find out that somebody was on my side. I was right."

Said Giangregorio, ''We tested the Fenway Park model by removing the .406 model and we did find that there was a significant change that the .406 club had on the wind patterns. Wind behaves in many components, so it's hard to say how much.

''When you add elevation in the direction of the wind, you elevate the shear level. That's what happened when they built the .406 Club. A ball would have to travel higher to get to a point where the air was flowing more smoothly and help the ball travel a little farther, but I couldn't put any numbers on it."

But fewer home runs could lead to swirling winds of discontent across Red Sox Nation.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ Are NIMBYs in other cities this creative? This is brilliant in an evil sort of way.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

quadratdackel wrote:
This is a month old, but interesting nonetheless. It's a good thing the Sox aren't a big home run hitting team....


Don't know if the home run comment was sarcastic or not but just for information sake, the Red Sox ranked 5th in the American League and 7th in Major League baseball in 2005 with 199 Home Runs. In 2004 they ranked 4th in the AL and 5th in MLB with 222 and in 2003 they were 2nd in both the AL and MLB with 238 (only one behind the Rangers who lead all of baseball with 239.

So in comparison they are infact a Home Run hitting team. I doubt the buildings will have as much effect as the article tried to make them out to be.
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I agree. I really don't think this building will have the impact some people are saying it will. Even if it does, the team will adapt. They have already been moving a tiny bit more towards pitching and defense anyway.
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This seems like the Red Sox laying the groundwork to argue over taller development closer to the ballpark.

I think their real motive in arguing development is so no buildings get views inside the ball park.
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TC wrote:
This seems like the Red Sox laying the groundwork to argue over taller development closer to the ballpark.

I think their real motive in arguing development is so no buildings get views inside the ball park.


That could be a motive, I didn't think of that.

I don't think their worry is that people will start to go inside these buildings to watch the game instead of going to the park because let's face it, The Sox are always the toughest ticket in the city. I think their concern is over outside people profitting off of the Sox (those who own the building views).

I remember the Cubs having a similiar problem with people sitting on a rooftop, not because they were getting a free view of the game but because someone was selling those seats as tickets and thus making money off a product that wasn't theirs.
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BostonSkyGuy wrote:
quadratdackel wrote:
This is a month old, but interesting nonetheless. It's a good thing the Sox aren't a big home run hitting team....


Don't know if the home run comment was sarcastic or not but just for information sake, the Red Sox ranked 5th in the American League and 7th in Major League baseball in 2005 with 199 Home Runs. In 2004 they ranked 4th in the AL and 5th in MLB with 222 and in 2003 they were 2nd in both the AL and MLB with 238 (only one behind the Rangers who lead all of baseball with 239.

So in comparison they are infact a Home Run hitting team. I doubt the buildings will have as much effect as the article tried to make them out to be.


For the record, it was sarcastic. I might root for the Pirates, but I know where I live.

As for the Sox as NIMBYs argument, I don't buy it. It already seems like the team's been able to direct the area's development to their liking, especially regarding views. And they seem to want the area built up in general.
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from the 4/3/06 Boston Business Journal:

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The joint venture formed by the Boston Red Sox and the Cambridge-based Sage Hotel Corp. has hired Somerville architectural firm Arrowstreet Inc. to design a complex of 225 hotel rooms and 170 condos on the site of the Fenway Howard Johnson Lodge at 1271 Boylston St., behind Fenway Park.

While the brand of the hotel is still being determined, the hotel will be midprice, with room rates in the same range as a Marriott Courtyard or Hilton Garden, according to Sage Hotel Executive Vice President William A. Sage.

"We think that's what the market requires," said Sage, whose family owns the Fenway Howard Johnson Lodge.

Depending on how the permitting process goes, the hotel and condos could be at least three years away from opening. Financing for the project is still being nailed down. "



Link: http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2006/04/03/newscolumn2.html?page=2
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